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Laura Pires-Hester Ernestina-Morrissey Interview

New Bedford Whaling National Historical Park

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I'm Jan da Silva, the Program Manager of New Bedford Whaling National Historical Park.

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I'm here with Doctor Laura Pires-Hester,

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who is a

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anthropologist and a former

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Commissioner for the

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Schooner Ernestina

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Commission.

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Welcome, Dr. Pires-Hester.

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What's your

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connection to Ernestina-Morrissey?

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Thank you, Jan. It’s good to be here with you.

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I know that Pires

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is the way you hear the name, even in my family.

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I've always pronounced it Pi·ris which is actually closer to

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Portuguese

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the word

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means saucer.

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[Laughing] Just for your information.

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So

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my own

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personal connection with

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Schooner Ernestina-Morrissey

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was actually in 1974. Now, as a

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young Cape Verdean-American growing up in Massachusetts,

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I knew about the schooners that go back

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two centuries at least.

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And I knew about them bringing people and cargo back and forth.

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they

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came

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very often to New Bedford or Providence.

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I knew the stories

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of

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people going and

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people coming over.

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And I also knew that my own father had come over in the early 1900s,

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on a similar ship.

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My mother's parents

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had come over prior to that.

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I hadn't

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seen

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the actual Ernestina. However, in 1974,

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I attended a conference in Providence that was organized by Virginia Gonsalves

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and Yvonne Smart,

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the Cape Verdean-

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American Federation. They had an annual convention,

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and I met

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Michael Platzer.

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Now, Michael Platzer is not a Cape Verdean-American. [laughter]

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However,

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his

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own background

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is

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from Austria.

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But

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he was at that time the Program Officer of the United

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Nations in New York.

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And he was doing a workshop at this conference on the Ernestina.

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He had become interested

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in it

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and he learned about the ship.

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He had also

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been in touch with

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a number of people from the Philadelphia area

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who had been looking for years for the

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Effie M. Morrissey.

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That was a

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yacht and sailing group, different from the Cape Verdean-American diaspora. That

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was and is connected to the ship.

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So he had begun

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talking to a number of different people, not only here but also in Cabo Verde, since he was there often and his responsibility at the U.N..

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He wanted to bring this to the attention of the Cape Verdean community.

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Of course this

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annual convention was a great way to do that.

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Since I was coming from New York and I introduced myself to him,

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that became the beginning of

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very long

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relationship, which is continued to this day.

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Although he's overseas.

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Since I was in New York and he was about to make a trip overseas.

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We met in New York and he gave me certain papers

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about the Ernestina, what he was trying to do.

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that

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became the beginning of a movement, although

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the movement didn't become official until after the

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independence of Cabo Verde.

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1975, which, as you know, was when Cabo Verde became independent.

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Michael continued to have a relationship there.

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These two groups from Philadelphia

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and

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the New England area

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related to the Effie M. Morrissey and the Ernestina

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began to talk to each other.

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Of course, we realized everyone realized that this was one and the same ship. That the Effie M. Morrissey had

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been sold

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to Henrique Mendes.

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The

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people related to the Morrissey outfitted her and tried to use her as a yacht passenger ship. That didn't work very well. So it was literally given up.

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Michael, as a person became very important in kind of

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orchestrating this connection

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in the 1970s and early 80s between Cabo Verde and the U.S. related to the Ernestina.

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That fed into an interest of both groups in returning her to her

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home where she was,

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constructed,

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outside Gloucester

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in 1894.

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In order to do that,

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we needed

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money.

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Cabo Verde needed to repair her while she was there.

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New

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President Aristides Pereira, agreed

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it would be good for her to participate in the 1976 Ops Sail.

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There was a

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lot of activity

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getting her ready

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make that transatlantic

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voyage.

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That

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voyage did not go well. She was dismasted

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few miles off

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(Portuguese) Cabo Verde.

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Fortunately, no one was hurt or injured.

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That precipitated the setting up of our National Friends of Ernestina-Morrissey

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in conjunction with the National Maritime Historical Association, National Maritime Historical Society

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in New York.

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More people began to be interested

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in her being returned

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and

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being repatriated. When she was coming to Ops Sail she was coming as a representative of Cabo Verde

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However, the discussion turned to her not only

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returning

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but also becoming repatriated.

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They had agreed

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that

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the Ernestina would be given as a gift

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to the people of the United States.

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Tom Lopes,

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who was then

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the first Cape Verdean representative

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at the Massachusetts House of Reps.

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He took on this

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role of advocating

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for the state to set up a commission

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that would take title

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to the ship

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when she returned.

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He was able to get the Massachusetts legislature to pass this legislation that created this commission.

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That's one thing I think we need to keep remembering that

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it sits in Massachusetts now, and Massachusetts has done a lot in terms of the both public and private support.

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So it deserves

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the recognition and honor.

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The

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original gift was to the people of the United States to recognize the long standing ties between Cabo Verde and the U.S.,

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which go back three centuries.

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There was a consul office in Cabo Verde going back to

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1815.

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We had

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Massachusetts set up the

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commission

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and Cabo Verde was at work in repairing.

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we had set up

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the National Friends.

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We began to raise funds. We supported a shipwright over there. I was just looking back

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at the

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reports.

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We supported a shipwright and his family for about 14 months in Cabo Verde.

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We had a volunteer person,

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John Braman, who spent a lot of time there with his wife.

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One of the things

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about Ernestina-Morrissey

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is that she has always crossed boundaries. In her early history

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going up to the Arctic and the fishing, Grand Banks, etc., and then Cabo Verde back and forth and then also making the trips between the islands and the west coast of Africa.

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She has always been

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open

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to

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all people, all cultures.

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And I think

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that's something that I am hopeful that will continue,

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in her future.

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After about six years of

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doing the repair work,

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she was ready to make the trip.

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We were able to

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have a

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half

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Cape Verdean

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and half U.S.

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to make up the crew.

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And within that crew, there was a young Cape Verdean from New Bedford, Norman Gomes,

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who

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was a seaman

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and also

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Peggy Lyons,

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a woman from New York.

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Michael Platzer’s brother was also a part of the crew.

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So it was a very diverse crew.

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We had to get the sails

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from Lisbon

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to Cabo Verde,

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and they had to go over to

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the forests of Guinea-Bissau to bring the kind of masts that were necessary.

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it was a very

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adventurous

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trip.

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When they left

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in 1982,

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of course, that took

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longer

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because they were coming without an engine.

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We had negotiated with Cummins Engine

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to

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provide a new engine,

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but we couldn't figure out how to get the engine

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to

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Cabo Verde.

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The engine actually sat

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on the

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dock in Gloucester

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for almost a year.

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As a matter of fact,

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sometime during that year,

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I was going to make a trip to

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Smith College in Massachusetts. My

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Alma Mater.

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And Julius was working.

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I think he was not in Boston at that time, but he was near to Northampton.

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He picked me up. We drove to Boston

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to see

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the engine.

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And also by that time

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the ship had come over.

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At that point, we had the commission in place.

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Julius and

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Joli Gonsalves

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were part of the first commission.

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We had

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the National Friends,

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and several groups

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in Wareham. Julius’ mother

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was very active in Providence.

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We had a small group in Boston, Philadelphia,

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New York.

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We started having,

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fundraising events

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and continuing to support

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what needed to be done

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with the ship.

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We have to really

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thank

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Tommy Lopes

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for his work.

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We have public funds,

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both from the city and from the state

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and that's a blessing

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because

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as volunteers or privately, we would never be

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able to maintain a wooden ship.

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We had to have specific

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ongoing kind of governmental support,

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and I'm not sure

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we would get that today.

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I think that would be super, super challenging

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to be able to get that. So we were very blessed to be able to

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organize

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and get so many different people to say yes,

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to the various pieces that needed to be put

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together.

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When she came

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she had to be Coast Guard certified

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and that took

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years.

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I continued to be active

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with the National Friends

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and then in 2006

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became a member of the commission

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until 2014.

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And we just worked to

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keep the

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momentum going.

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It was more challenging

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when

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the Ernestina had to be taken into shipyard,

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say, in Maine to be retrofitted

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because out of sight,

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out of mind. When we would have those meetings. I think you said (referring to Jan da Silva) in some of those meetings,

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we had to keep reminding

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the public

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and New Bedford

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about her

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and getting more people from New Bedford

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on the

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commission.

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Then finally we were able to start the,

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educational programing,

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that

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thousands of young people

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learned about her history,

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not only

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maritime history, but also Cabo Verde history,

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and

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the history of

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the voyages of the ship.

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It's a major educational

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platform

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for math,

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cultural studies,

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a whole range of other things.

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The

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National Park Service,

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has always been

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a great partner,

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have

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the availability of

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not only the space to meet,

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but also people that we knew were

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really interested in

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keeping the momentum going.

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Speaker 1
That's all great

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And That's why I want to interview you, because

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both you and Julius were involved early on.

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Capturing that history so

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people can understand it.

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I'm really happy you mentioned Tom Lopes, because

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I think a lot of people

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may have forgotten about him.

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Speaker 1
I remember when I first moved to this area, seeing his newspaper and

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he was looking at it through

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African diaspora

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light

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and it was

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always

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good to read.

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And I definitely miss having that around and having him around to do that.

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He would

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be

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so happy at what's happened to the Ernestina today.

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Speaker 2
Yes. And I think he would also be kind of anxious about

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the continuation

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and the involvement

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of not only the city,

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but also for more and more people

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to know about her and get to know her.

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Because he did

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just a wonderful job. Now

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he didn't go over. He sent

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Alberto from Providence,

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can't remember his last name.

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Who did the

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the narrative,

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interviewing people there and then interviewing

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people

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when the ship got here.

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But the footage

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is wonderful. And then he also

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included,

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music from the Tavares.

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Mystery Lady,

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that's the name of the

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video.

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I play it every once in a while and

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it's good.

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There was footage here when she came to

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Newport and then in New Bedford

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when she arrived,

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hundreds and hundreds (laughter) of people

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on the dock.

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People like Mary

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Barbosa,

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Joli

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you know, all of those people,

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a wonderful

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historic piece.

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I forgot to mention that in terms of my own relationship,

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I was part of the first group

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of

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Cape Verdean-Americans invited by Cabo Verde after the independence in 1981 to go to Cabo Verde.

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this was

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organized by

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Raymond Almeida, who was then

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Attache at the U.S.

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Embassy.

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On that trip,

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there were two groups,

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I was in the first group, which is made up about 20 people, including Mary. Mary

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Barbosa

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and her husband,

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and

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Antonia Sequeira, who was very important in the Connecticut Friends of

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Ernestina.

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When we went

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Mindelo

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in Sao Vicente,

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that's when I actually saw

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the Ernestina.

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We were able to meet some of the people who had been

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very much a part of the

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Effie Morrissey history

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and some

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who had been

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part of the Bartlett Boys and gone on that

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trip to the Arctic,

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who were still around.

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Austen Colgate and Fred Littleton and a number of other people

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who became a part of,

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this

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support group.

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Eugenia Lopes, who came over on the ship, who had been living on the ship

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for a while.

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Speaker 1
Can you tell any stories about the 1982 trip from Cabo Verde to the United States?

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Speaker 2
The book by Stephen Platzer

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is about the trip itself.

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The voyage

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he

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did

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almost daily

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letters and communications to his wife

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in Massachusetts.

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And then he

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published

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this book.

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I think he was the radio operator.

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He kept us in touch every single day.

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I would be in touch with Joe Rose, who was on the commission

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in Marion.

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He had a two way

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radio,

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I would be in touch with him and he would be in touch with Stephen

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just about every day.

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It was it was really quite something like 41 days.

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And

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when

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she ran into

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the wake of this

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tanker that went by

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very close, too close.

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Speaker 2
Weather that

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stopped

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Speaker 2
the Ernestina being able to move.

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Be calmed for like a few days and then came on and then when she

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was arriving.

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There was a great storm that night.

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I remember waking up in the middle of the night

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and wondering

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what was happening.

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Ernestina you know,

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continued

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to have

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these

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stories, which I think all maritime people

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understand.

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My late brother

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loved the Ernestina, and he

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died before

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she was able to get back

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from Maine.

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Speaker 2
But he was a merchant seaman and then a Navy

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person and then a merchant seaman again.

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The Bisca Club,

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the Exxon Group,

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they would hire

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He and his

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friends in New Bedford,

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to go out,

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on the ship

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Speaker 2
and of course, they had the music and everything else that was, so

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the

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Ernestina,

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Speaker 2
she's special.

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Speaker 1
What do you see in the future for Ernestina?

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Speaker 2
Well, my hope is

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that it will continue to be

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the

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Speaker 2
unique educational platform

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that she

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Speaker 2
can be.

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Speaker 2
I am hoping that the

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Speaker 2
Mass Maritime Academy

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Speaker 2
plan is for her to be there for the academic year

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so that she's used for the cadets.

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Speaker 2
I

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hope

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that the academy itself

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would be able to attract and recruit,

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students of color, more students of color.

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Speaker 2
I'm hoping

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that the

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Speaker 2
public

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funding

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will continue

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to support it.

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Speaker 2
And I'm also hoping that more and more of the younger generations,

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Speaker 2
especially in New Bedford,

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Speaker 2
because that is

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the home port when she came.

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Speaker 2
Part of the agreement was

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she would be the home port for summer

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Speaker 2
and be used

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Speaker 2
for

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Speaker 2
educational purposes, working with the schools, working with other institutions,

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Speaker 2
etc.

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Speaker 2
That's going to require an ongoing support

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Speaker 2
and

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one of the things

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Speaker 2
that I think is challenging.

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Speaker 2
Is that because of this history, which

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Speaker 2
has been stop and start,

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Speaker 2
stop and start again kind of thing,

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is that the younger generations in New Bedford, for example of Cape Verdean, Cape Verdean-Americans

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or the people of color, etc.,

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Speaker 2
is not yet, I don't think, connected.

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Speaker 2
And some of the

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older generations, like myself

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the next one,

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haven't really been able to

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transfer

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Speaker 2
or bring that

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Speaker 2
up to date.

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Speaker 2
And I think that's a big challenge.

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Speaker 2
I know that SEMA,

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Speaker 2
that's something that

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Speaker 2
they have always had to work on.

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Speaker 2
The further we get away from

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active history, like in the 80s and the 90s,

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Speaker 2
I think

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the harder it is

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to

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keep

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churning that up,

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Speaker 2
like the ocean,

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Speaker 2
to keep moving,

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Speaker 2
get new waters,

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Speaker 2
replacing the old and the old goes out.

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Speaker 2
I think that's a challenge,

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Speaker 2
but

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Speaker 2
that's my hope.

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Speaker 2
The history and up to the present day

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Speaker 2
involves so many

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Speaker 2
different

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Speaker 2
people of all colors, of all economic backgrounds,

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Speaker 2
academic backgrounds,

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Speaker 2
ages,

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Speaker 2
countries,

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Speaker 2
and crossing

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Speaker 2
boundaries.

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Speaker 2
My hope is that kind of

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Speaker 2
coalition of people, of human

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Speaker 2
will and

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Speaker 2
respect for our history,

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Speaker 2
respect for

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Speaker 2
our ancestors of all

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Speaker 2
shapes and sizes and colors.

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Speaker 1
I have to admit that

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Speaker 1
sounds

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Speaker 1
great.

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Speaker 1
The more I know about Ernestina

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Speaker 1
that

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Speaker 1
she is a vessel for everybody

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Speaker 1
and we all can

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Speaker 1
learn something from it.

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Speaker 1
I wonder about it

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Speaker 1
too.

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Speaker 1
What do we lose when we don't keep the history in front of people?

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Speaker 1
Now I think people do forget those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1
That's the deadly part,

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Speaker 1
where

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Speaker 1
you realize people's memories are

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Speaker 1
not disappearing, but nobody's really talking about these things as much as they used to.

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Speaker 1
I know

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Speaker 1
there have been people saying that it should be something that belongs in the Cape Verdean community.

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Speaker 1
Yes, that's true, but

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Speaker 1
it has to be for everyone

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Speaker 1
to be able to finance it.

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Speaker 1
And the

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Speaker 1
Ernestina-Morrisssey has to sail.

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Speaker 2
Has to be an active ship.

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Speaker 1
It has to be active.

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Speaker 2
When she came over

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Speaker 2
in 1982

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Speaker 2
Captain Marcos Nascimento Lopes,

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Speaker 2
Michael, and I,

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Speaker 2
put our hands together and that was our hope that

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Speaker 2
she continued to sail.

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Speaker 2
There was

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Speaker 2
never any

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Speaker 2
Tom’s vision or any of the other people.

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Speaker 2
Never

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Speaker 2
any thought that she would become a museum ship someplace,

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Speaker 2
just sitting.

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Speaker 2
She has to be active.

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Speaker 2
She's a wooden ship, so

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Speaker 2
the deterioration

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Speaker 2
when she's not active is

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Speaker 2
something that we don't want.

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Speaker 2
I am hoping and

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Speaker 2
optimistic

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Speaker 2
because

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Speaker 2
she is

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Speaker 2
visible,

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Speaker 2
not just a

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Speaker 2
symbol, but she is

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Speaker 2
history in action.

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Speaker 1
So

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Speaker 1
Captain Tiffany

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Speaker 1
hired a crew

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Speaker 1
for the summer

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Speaker 1
because they went down to Galveston

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Speaker 1
for a tall ship program.

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Speaker 1
And they just came back from Gloucester for some races that they did there.

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Speaker 1
And one of the young women

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Speaker 1
aboard the ship,

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Speaker 1
might be the only one who goes to Mass Maritime.

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Speaker 1
That alone,

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Speaker 1
gives me hope.

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Speaker 1
It's only about 5 or 6 people with Captain Tiffany.

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Speaker 1
I'm assuming that they hire crew for the summer

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Speaker 1
then during the winter,

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Speaker 1
the

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Speaker 1
Ernestina-Morrissey is at Mass Maritime.

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Speaker 2
There was always controversy

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Speaker 2
of one kind or another.

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Speaker 2
“Well, why isn’t she just in New Bedford or

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Speaker 2
why Mass Maritime, etc.?”

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Speaker 2
I am

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Speaker 2
glad

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Speaker 2
that arrangement was made.

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Speaker 2
The ship

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Speaker 2
can be taken care of because over the years

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Speaker 2
we didn't have the money.

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Speaker 1
I agree.

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Speaker 1
Without that

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Speaker 1
she would just kind of fall apart.

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Speaker 1
And

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Speaker 1
you don't want that either.

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Speaker 1
It's nice to be able to say that

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Speaker 1
she provides

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Speaker 1
hands on

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Speaker 1
education

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Speaker 1
young sailors need

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Speaker 1
to be able to go out into the ocean. Because now

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Speaker 1
I'm thinking of all the people who

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Speaker 1
are being trained

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Speaker 1
to

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Speaker 1
be captains of a wooden vessel, like Captain Tiffany's, the captain now, like who's coming behind

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Speaker 1
her to be the next captain.

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Speaker 1
So these are the people who are doing that.

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Speaker 2
And also the education that can take place

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Speaker 2
in the summer, for example, for young people,

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Speaker 2
some of the teachers

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Speaker 2
in the New Bedford area were just wonderful.

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Speaker 2
And it wasn't just related to the maritime, but all

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Speaker 2
their academic

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Speaker 2
subjects and working together.

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Speaker 2
Which is super, super important.

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Speaker 2
it

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Speaker 2
is a great thing

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Speaker 2
that we have

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Speaker 2
our young people

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Speaker 2
to learn.

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Speaker 2
There's so much that the

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Speaker 2
Ernestina can teach.

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Speaker 2
I agree.

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Speaker 1
Really appreciate you taking the time to talk about your relationship with Ernestina-Morrissey.

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Speaker 1
Thank you for the interview.

 

Descriptive Transcript

The video begins with a black background. It then transitions to another black background with all text centered on the screen. The white text at the top reads: "Laura Pires-Hester" Below it, a green horizontal line divides the text. The bottom line reads: "Schooner Ernestina-Morrissey" in white. The title page text shrinks to a smaller size and moves to the top left corner. The black background remains, and white closed captioned text appears in the center of the screen, double-lined in a large font size.

Description

In this video, Dr. Laura Pires-Hester, anthropologist and former Schooner Ernestina Commission Commissioner, shares her deep connection with the Ernestina-Morrissey. She recounts her involvement since 1974, including key moments like the collaboration with Michael Platzer and efforts to repatriate the historic ship. Dr. Pires-Hester highlights the significance of the Ernestina as a symbol of the enduring ties between Cabo Verde and the U.S., reflecting on her diverse history and the challenges.

Duration

21 minutes, 37 seconds

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NPS Video

Date Created

08/01/2023

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